The first three paragraphs seemed fine but holy shit has this guy been radicalised. I honestly feel bad for these people who think they’re standing against facism when they’re just a different type of a facist
Yeah, it’s a shame to see that they connected all the dots but came to the wrong conclusions.
The political spectrum is a torus
Ah yes, let’s turn our children into terrorists. (At least that’s what it sounds like to me)
Seriously though the teen years are when you are most malleable. You can teach someone to not feel sympathy for groups of people and to be ok doing terrible things.
I’m an anarchist, tankies don’t like me because I like my freedom of speech and right to bear arms, not a kid tho
All fascist regimes are known for targeting children with indoctrination. It why child soldiers are so effective they dont question orders.
You need to take the same advice as is in this image. Don’t forget to touch grass.
Grass is always worth touching!
prefer clover tho
There’s the problem with being a reactionary. Grass is normal and good. Open fields of grass are native and healthy to much of the world. Maintaining a lawn of non-native grass is what should be discouraged. Please learn what the real issues are, beyond the surface level.
we are all reactionaries on this blessed day
if you are old enough, if it’s legal where you are, and you enjoy it*, touching it with your lungs really helps put some perspective on things sometimes.
*boilerplate legal CYA statements always hold up in court right?
One of the same, dude
Both are bad
“BoTh SiDeS”?
Yes radicals are bad. Big shock
I grew up in a generation when ‘radical’ meant ‘cool’, so forgive me if I’m confused by that generality
Many are supporting the duopoly’s funding of genocide of the Palestinian people due to Zionism’s hold on our government and politicians, per AIPAC.
As we learn and grow, exposing ourselves to diverse ideas that we do not agree with, our world view changes as well, unless we construct our own echo chambers by self-censoring ourselves.
not everything is related to another conflict in the middle east dude, it wasn’t even mentioned here. lol
also careful. “Zionism’s hold on our government and politicians, per AIPAC.” is the same as alt-rights “Jews control the government” – Not allowed per instance rules
That guy is a raging antisemite that marets his own hate videos on lemmy.
I disagree.
Again:
Zionism =/= Judaism
I don’t need your “opinion” on facts. Stfu nazi.
I am closer to a Red than a Nazi.
Further clarification: Red being a communist.
Thanks for the reminder of this song:
Oi! band formed after a hard drinking afternoon in 1997. At that time there were only three members. It was Jerome Reuter ROME, on drums and vocals, Tom Luciani on guitar and Muck on bass. After playing gigs here and there in some pubs of Luxembourg, a first little recording was released, a demo-tape called Cider Lane 77, of which a limited amount of copies were sold. After Muck left the band in 1999, the line-up had to be changed.
The lyrics to The Skinflicks’s song What I Am are a defiant statement of identity in the face of societal pressures to conform. The song emphasizes the importance of self-expression and the rejection of political ideologies that seek to control or manipulate individuals. The skinhead identity, according to the song, is about more than just fashion choices - it represents a rejection of both far-right and far-left political beliefs in favor of a distinct cultural identity.[1]
Song: What I Am - The Skinflicks[2]
Lyrics[3]
Cuz I’m not a nazi, I’m not a red
I’ve had enough of your politics
I’m not a nazi, I’m not a red
For all I am is a … Skinhead!
That’s what I am, it’s all I wanna be
That’s what I am, it’s all I wanna be
That’s what I am, it’s all I wanna be
There is Redfash, wich you seem to be. Mixed nazi ideology with “socialist” values.
Edit: format and added more sentences
Redfash
TIL.
I disagree with your labels again; you seem to just be using such labels so you can continue to ignore and dismiss anyone that does not think like you want them to.
They’re not a nazi
He is. Wanting to destroy Israel (“Anti Zionism”) is a inherited Nazi ideology.
Anti zionism is not a nazi ideology what the fuck. How is being against people being displaced and forced to live in inhumane conditions something a nazi thinks?
Doesn’t matter, unfortunately.
Per instance rules, no calling people names.
Lmao, the Nazis themselves were Zionists. They wanted the Jews out of their country and saw zionism as a compelling way to get them out.
I’m not even particularly keen on relying on that opportunistic relationship to group zionism and nazism together, but it would be quite ridiculous to suggest anti-zionism is Nazi ideology.
I mean, I won’t argue on the Israel-destruction thing, but I don’t think being secular makes you a nazi.
I’m anti-Zionist, anti-caliphate, anti-Christendom, you know, secular.
Its funny how the self proclaimed communists are far right
I disagree; foreign policy has a lot to do with our country and what happens in other countries as well.
Zionism =/= Judaism
Many that are for censorship try to make it seem like it is, so continued support of genocide can continue, but we must not fall for their talking points. to make it seem like it is, so continued support of genocide can continue, but we must not fall for their talking points.
Do you support a two-state solution? If the answer is yes, then congratulations, you are inherently a zionist. If your answer is no, then I hope you’re not advocating for violence, as that is disallowed.
Even Israel is against a two-state solution and a one-state solution.
Israel’s goal has always been to remove all natives from Palestinian land.
This conflict has been ongoing for many decades, while continuing to escalate, ceasefire, and negotiations should be the goal, but it seems WWIII might be closer to happening than negotiations happening again.
I won’t argue about which side wants what; it’s a pointless discussion that won’t get anywhere.
I can only warn you not to say anything related to alt-right hate speech, such as claiming that Jews control foreign governments. It’s not allowed.
I can only warn you not to say anything related to alt-right hate speech, such as claiming that Jews control foreign governments. It’s not allowed.
I did not bring that up; you did.
Here ya go, an infograph: https://lemmy.world/post/19431152
Alright, I’ve warned you twice to stay on topic, and you’re still ranting about this. Your propaganda post is also unsourced and comes from an extremist account that engages in doxxing.
What does AIPAC do?
So you just go around randomly bring this up? It might be better to find a different hobby.
This is literally all that Jimmy does. Linkerbaan as well. Bitching and arguing with people about the war in Gaza is their entire personality and life. Must be a very miserable life.
Yeah. I find most people who are obsessed over the conflict as just bored people
And they develop Lemmy…
Yeah I can’t say they are all that agreeable but I have respect for the development aspect
I think there is a big difference between critically thinking and propaganda. When you are young you are susceptible to all sorts of ideas.
Young or old, propaganda works on those of all ages; building up our critical thinking skills should be the goal for everyone.
Just looking at the current political tribalism, it is at an all-time high again.
Owner-class media (Main Stream Media or Legacy Media) trust is at an all-time low, while independent journalists are increasing their grassroots support.
Find yourself a way out.
I am good, but thanks for the offer.
Too good it seems.
And i meant that your “good” is a mental illness.
Ah, thanks for expanding on your meaning.
I disagree; all is well.
Thankfully they’ll grow out of this extremism.
I just hope it’s not a growing through pain experience.
A danger with a lot of these idealogical groups is the classic cult/abusive behavior of “love bombing”, which can be especially effective with younger people trying to figure out themselves and where they “fit” in the world. Add all that to the lack of life experience causing that sort of behavior to not ring alarm bells and it’s a potent recipe for learning things the hard way when it all comes crashing down.
Sidenote: Even if this was a kid publicly declaring healthy beliefs, I really don’t get why the response isn’t “Ok, cool. Moving on…”
This sort of “championing” of impressionable youths by strangers, in response to the youth simply saying they believe a certain thing, just gives me the skeevies. Doesn’t feel genuine to me.
Nah, it’s very cultist, ain’t it
Probably not as 14-18 is when you are most susceptible to beliefs. The brain is developing still and as it locks in the stuff around it. It becomes your core belief system.
my 14 year old self would view my current self with horror, recoil and run away without giving current self a chance to explain the lifetime of choices, learning, and impossible decisions that got me here. I guess what I’m trying to say is, like most 14 year olds I was an idiot (a special kind of idiot, but an idiot nonetheless). we are polar opposites.
Your brain doesn’t lock itself as you get older. How else do you learn?
It kind of does through. The older you get the more ridged you become. You buckle down in your ways and become resistant to change.
I’ve yet to meet an older person who has not been able to change their opinion. In fact I reckon the belief that you can’t change is a very, very dangerous one.
Broadly speaking, as you get older, you tend to become more rigid in your core beliefs. But not always. And not in everything. It doesn’t mean you can’t change, but people become less likely to change. As you get older, you have more inertia to overcome, and more years of sunk-costs.
Your core values are unlikely to change though. It isn’t impossible but when you are a young adult everything is new and you are basically a sponge. What happens when you are young profoundly influences who you become.
this kid is eventually going to look back on this era of their life and shiver from embarrassment. I’ve been there
Was it alt-right or communism for you?
I started as alt-right, realised I actually like queerness. Then I went communist, realised murder is childish and how much I was being played and then decided to do my own thing.
well. to my everlasting shame it was the very website this post features. I got hooked in when it was still part of reddit. I was an angry young adult coming out of a terrible home situation and their collective “righteous fury” was appealing. after the move to a separate website, it just got worse and worse. hexbear, formally known as chapochat, had destructive drama outburtsts every single week right from the start.
I think it started with thousands of active users and rapidly dwindled down to only a few hundred because of how hostile and rigid it was. I was one of the few who stuck around because my warped sense of the world didn’t reveal how bad it was yet. I thought about quitting during many of these ridiculous “struggle sessions” as they called them. but something kept me hooked.
when the current ukraine-russia war started, the cracks were widening. a subsection of hexbear started to dominate. they were more openly bloodthirsty. they stopped pretending to care about the common people, which is what I cared about, and were cheering on the killing of civilians and conscripted soldiers. they posted videos of ukrainians getting shot and blown up accompanied with the site’s absurd emojis and weird in joke phrases. they were also just extremely hostile to anyone who wasn’t lockstep with their view. they would use vicious insults and accusations against naysayers and the mods would almost always rule on their side.
I rarely ever participated in the arguments up to that point because I didn’t see a reason to, but I got in fights with people about this. they were treating war like a football game and it really rubbed me the wrong way. but then that subsection of the site started to contain themselves mostly to the “news megathread” which I could easily ignore.
I became less and less interested in hexbear as time went on. I think other people were noticing these disturbing trends too because the number of active users dwindled down to around 150-200. the remaining users were the worst of the worst. so fucking mean and nasty, in that abusive family type of way. they proclaim themselves to be friendly, proclaim hexbear to be a welcoming and caring community, tightly knit, when behind the curtain they are horrible to each other. of course I had only ever known that type of life so I didn’t see it for what it was and continued to use the site.
I finally had a breakthrough internally and got the courage to go to therapy and try to reckon with the damage my upbringing did to me. and once that started to work, hexbear’s rose tint rapidly faded.
now I look back on my several years as a hexbear user with so much embarrassment. I can’t believe how much hatred was in my heart. I try to forgive myself and remember that I was young and broken and taken advantage of by malicious people online but I was old enough to know better. once in a while I’ll check hexbear out just to remind myself of how much I’ve grown and improved. I see people in there who claim to be in their 30s and 40s and i feel disgust at how they are manipulating young adults and even kids as we see here. I feel sad for them too. I don’t think anyone that old would be part of such a group if they didn’t have a seriously damaged worldview.
wow. sorry to dump on you. just seeing someone so young get roped into hexbear brought up a lot of feelings.
Thank you for sharing, that’s a meaningful experience that might help people in a similar situation.
my experiences aren’t nearly as intricate as yours. For me, it was gamergate. My little self enjoyed videogames, and hearing that someone wanted to take that away got me mad and put me into the pipeline. I snapped out of it when the alt-right started praising Trump, at which point I remember asking if everyone was actually serious.
I didn’t have too long of a communist stint. I was repeatedly told that the revolution will happen any time soon, and… It never did. I then questioned why we’re praising hyper-capitalist China and was basically told to trust the plan lol.
I have zero interest in reading what these people think about me.
You’re an absolute chad dude
For me, growing up in a hyper-conservative household, religion, and state certainly flavored my initial political leanings. I certainly spread my share of cringe.
Pretty much as soon as I was able to think independently, it became obvious how bigoted those ideologies are.
