One of the admins at lemmy.blahaj.zone asked us to purge a community and all of its users because they thought it was full of child sexual abuse material, aka CSAM, fka kiddy porn. We assured them that we had checked this comm thoroughly and we were satisfied that all of the models on it were of age.
The admin then demanded we purge the comm because they mistook it for CSAM, and claimed that the entire point of the community was to make people think it was CSAM. We vehemently disagreed that that was in fact the point of the community, but they decided to defederate from us anyway. That is of course their choice, but we will not purge our communities or users because someone else makes a mistake of fact, and then lays the responsibility for their mistake at our feet.
If someone made a community intended to fool people into thinking it was kiddy porn, that would be a real problem. If someone of age goes online and pretends – not roleplays, but pretends with intent to deceive – to be a child and makes porn, that is a real problem. Nobody here is doing that.
One of the reasons we run our instance the way that we do is that we want it to be inclusive. We don’t body shame, and we believe that all adults have a right to sexual expression. That means no adult on our instance is too thin, fat, bald, masculine, old, young, cis, gay, etc., to be sexy, and that includes adults that look younger than some people think they should. Everyone has a right to lust and to be lusted after. There’s no way to draw a line that says “you can’t like adult people that look like X” without crossing a line that we will not cross.
EDIT: OK, closing this post to new comments. Everything that needs saying has been said. Link to my convo with the blahaj admin here.
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I haven’t looked for that comm and won’t, but it sounds intended to attract viewers with pedo tendencies. Whether that’s a safe outlet or a red flag, idk. I do know that Reddit and other sites go apeshit banning even erotic fiction with underage characters. I have heard they do that not from concern that the fiction could be illegal per se, but rather that they don’t want to create a pedo magnet that could then bring the pedos into contact with actual underage users.
OTOH, I know that AO3 chose not to have such a rule. IDK if that has led to any bad stuff in real life. I hope not, of course.
“I don’t know anything about this and I won’t educate myself directly, but I’ll give you my uninformed hot take nonetheless…”
that comm has 2.1m members on reddit.
every poster already needs to prove that the person in the post is an adult and that the person posted these nsfw pics in full consent.
So if an adult has a childlike appearance, they are not an adult; they are considered a kid. What even is this shit?
Yeah their reasoning for defederating is kinda dumb, but luckily anyone can just make a separate account for lemmynsfw so nothing really is lost. I kinda don’t even see why someone would leave nsfw enabled on their main account, like do you wanna have sexy photos mixed in with your news, cat pictures, Hobby-communities?
There are a couple nsfw communities on lemmy.blahaj.zone. It’s a very lgbt, sex positive server. I will miss being able to see them from here though
The thing I don’t get is they seem to host plenty of nsfw material themselves that would fall under that category of “child-like”. I’m not going to argue the specifics on where the line should be drawn, but I feel like they should at least moderate their own communities properly before such action against content that’s no worse than theirs
I mean, the real issue is that it’s entirely subjective. Once they confirmed that the material in question was in fact legal, that should have been the end of it. I already think that regulating hentai is dumb, but taking issue with real women’s bodies like Australia did?
I mean seriously, what’s the point of drawing the line at 18, if you’re gonna ignore the line because women don’t magically shapeshift on their 18th birthday? The whole premise of legality is on age, not appearance.
It is within their right to defederate from anyone as they please.
Totally. They even have to right to be dead wrong about the reason, which they’ve exercised.
Well shit. As a horny queer person I am active on both of these instances and I’m not sure how to feel about this.
As a horny queer person I, too, wish that this had gone a different way.
If you really want to you can just make an account on either side of the divide. They’re free.
I actually already have accounts on both. It’s just one of those weird things of federation that I can’t see one side from my account on the other anymore.
you’d think a trans instance would understand that small bodies/tits don’t mean child porn
should they ban us trans girls with smaller goods because we’re just starting on HRT or aren’t at all???
???
I really don’t see how being a trans community qualifies one to judge adult content. I think their objection, incorrect as it was, was based on overall aesthetics and framing, not just cup size. Apparently pearl-clutching is universal.
I’ll take “discussions I won’t get into with a transwoman unless I know her incredibly well and probably not even then” for $1000, Alex.
I think this is a perfect example of what federation is all about. If the Admins of one community are unhappy with the decisions of another they are free to voice that, and if they and their users want to defederate, they can. Personally, I just block all communties that aren’t man and cock centered, and have no interest in anyone under 21, so try and block those too.
I feel sorry for the poor blahaj name.
They said that you were okay with the fact that users were specifically trying to make it seem like they were underage. Good to hear the other side of the story.
I explicitly denied that several times, as you can see.
Discourse like this sucks. Of course they are free to defederate but presenting this server as a place that allows abusive material is a gross misrepresentation.
I’m assuming the post in question was the one of imcherryblossom. Two seconds of Googling shows that they are a OnlyFans/Fansly model and proves they are above age, and she pretty clearly looks it too imo.
Equating that post with essentially abuse doesn’t sit right with me. Especially when this server has done a good job imo of banning even borderline content while mod tools improve.
like, damn, let petite people exist and be sexy ;-;
kudos to the admins/mods here as they’ve been absolutely fantastic when I have issues
This is genuine issue with the fediverse. Many instances could gang up and defederate from an instance and all the voices on that instances are essentially censored, like a typical centralised social media
It is not censorship to say that I will not let you use my resources that I bought, pay monthly fees for, and spend a chunk of my life to maintain, so you can to spread your message. That’s fucking unhinged. Come back to reality.
Is it censorship when I choose not to click on a link? What if I have a live stream and people are watching me, is it censorship then? No??? Same fucking thing. My hardware. My server. I get the last say on what runs on it. That’s not censorship, that’s not even close.
I’ve seen both of these posts now, and it leads me to wonder what is the community? because this sounds like the same situation as the jailbait subreddit a long time ago, and if it’s literally a jailbait community then i’d have to agree with their decision to defederate. hosting jailbait porn is gross, equating that position to bodyshaming is insane.
I had this question too. It was adorableporn. It is not remotely comparable to r/jailbait so let’s not jump to conclusions. The lemmynsfw mods are absolutely in the right here.
I’m not sure that’s equivalent comparison. I’m not sure of the community either, but my understanding is that everyone involved is an adult.
R/jailbait was hosting sexualized content of literal children.
This is closer to blocking a community because you feel that the models under the “teen” category look too young, even though they are all technically adults.
Jailbait is by definition people that are under legal age, or at least pretending to be. If someone is of legal age they by definition cannot be jailbait. The appeal there is the violation of the statutory taboo, the allure of the forbidden fruit. That is not OK and we won’t tolerate that.
If a grownup has a round face and is wearing braces, which is the post that I suspect launched this whole kerfluffle, that’s just how they look. I’m not going to tell them that they can’t be sexy, or you that you can’t be into them being sexy, because of their face or their dental work. Now, you can see why someone might be concerned that someone that has braces might be underage, since many people that are underage have braces. But once we’ve confirmed that they aren’t underage, that should be the end of it.
Thats odd. lemmynsfw is pretty restrictive for a porn site.
This reminds me of how they essentially banned sex work of women with small breasts in Australia because of a poorly written law
Some people can’t help but project their filthy minds onto other
Breasts of all sizes are perfectly healthy and normal
