Russia has lost 87% of its deployed troops by recent estimates, so fortunately it’s increasingly looking like the only way Russia can “win” is by saving face and removing their troops from occupied Ukrainian territories, including Crimea.
Actually, they lost 114.7% of all deployed troops by recent estimates: https://www.minusrus.com/en
… that sounds plausible right?
I’m not sure why you’re citing a false statistic. Doesn’t really communicate much to me.
The estimates are fairly accurate and have been fact checked by multiple intelligence groups.
Thank you for reiterating and assisting getting this important message across. 315,000 casualties is no joke. This needless loss is directly attributable to Russian aggression.
Least bad faith fascist.
I’m not sure why you’re citing a false statistic
It’s because it comes from the Ukrainian ministry of defense, it’s official Ukrainian data
The capabilities of Ukraine to be able to make these assessments are lacking due to the chaos Russian forces decided to bring to their country. I would take their numbers with a grain of salt, requiring corroboration, however the true numbers likeli lie somewhere in the middle of the highest and lowest casualty counts emminated by intelligence.
You’re starting with a conclusion and working backwards.
Do you really believe that?
Yes, it’s been facted checked by multiple intelligence organizations.
Do you really not experience a moments pause writing this?
Mindfulness and meditation is key to a calm mind.
Feigning illiteracy is not as clever as you seem to think.
Holy fucking shit. Liberalism distilled to an NPC.
so you don’t actually have evidence for this, you just believe the word of the people that have been lying to you for decades straight
It’s not hard to intake information from many sources. Some sources are easier to disprove based on claims.
Too hard for you though
Russia has lost 87% of its deployed troops by recent estimates
This is dangerous Russian propaganda because according to the Ukrainian ministry of defense they actually lost over 100%
They also destroyed over 100% of tanks and artillery, the videos of Russian tanks advancing is actually Kremlin dezinformatsiya AI generated fakes
Thank you for recognizing dangerous Russian propaganda and the fact that Ukaine does not have full access to their soverign land to make fully accurate assessments. If the aggressor wee to leave occupied territory, then I believe these numbers would come down a bit, however it’s clear Russia has lost considerably fighting this “special operation” in another countries soverign territory.
do you have any self-respect
I really don’t mean this in a condescending way, and I understand why someone consuming certain kinds of media might think this… but this is truly delusional. So wildly at odds with the reality of the situation that you would probably be better served just not reading about the conflict at all than by reading whatever it is you’ve been reading.
I intake media from all sides, it’s important to know the scope of propaganda coming from every outlet. Fortunately there’s enough sources to corroborate the information I’ve relayed here. For the Russian propaganda machine, the same cannot be said. How’s Prigozhin doing?
I intake media from all side
Russian propaganda
What do you understand as propaganda? And how do you designate what is and what isnt (If you do)
Propaganda is rhetoric designed to produce support for or against particular decisions/actions. Russian propaganda is shaped to meet Putin’s goals, but easily disproven and consistently, blatantly false.
Propaganda is rhetoric designed to produce support for or against particular decisions/actions.
Sounds kinda like kinda what you’re trying to do here. Would you agree?
I’m spurring debate in a conflict ridden world. It’s important to understand and discuss all sides, but to maintain an understanding of historical context to guide this discourse.
How do you differentiate between propaganda and “spurring debate”?
Who needs to save face? Ukraine has become the world’s street ***** begging everyone for money wherever it goes.
And they’ll keep receiving said money because the majority of the United Nations believes Russia is the aggressor. Allowing an aggressor to overtake soverign land is a big no-no to the UN.
because the majority of the United Nations believes Russia is the aggressor.
Source?
Allowing an aggressor to overtake soverign land is a big no-no to the UN.
Lol
All it takes is a short read of UN documents, go ahead and read. I’ll leave this here to guide you: https://www.un.org/securitycouncil/sites/www.un.org.securitycouncil/files/part_i_2022_mps_of_ukraine_0.pdf
Cite the part that supports your claim.
Allowing an aggressor to overtake soverign land is a big no-no to the UN
Which is why Israel was stopped from annexing East Jerusalem and the West Bank right? It also explains why the US was not allowed to invade and occupy Syria.
While this may be a desired goal of Netanyahus government, his support by Israelis is dwindling. Let’s not forget Hamas’s desired goals too. In the future, hopefully a more progressive Israeli government echos the United States policy more closely for a 2 state solution.
The United States does not believe in a two state solution and neither do I, death to Israel
Please refrain from the use of this hateful language. It does not promote thoughtful debate.
hateful language
did you look at the name of the comm?
unlimited death to israel, nato, america, eu, japan, worst korea, the moon and mosquitos
If you seriously believe that 87% of russian troops have been lost you need to take a long hard look at why you think that’s true. Like think about it, if theyve lost that many troops then why haven’t the battle lines shifted in any meaningful way basically all year ? Why is there no outrage and overflowing graveyards, or increased mobilization in Russia if thats the case ?
Seriously like whatever side of the conflict you’re on aside, if you want any intellectual credibility you gotta think about that one
Deployed troops, not troop reserves. The estimates are fairly accurate and have been fact checked by multiple intelligence groups. There’s burn pits for the bodies of dead Russians, don’t exactly need a graveyard when they go up in smoke.
Which intelligence groups? Surely ones with actual credibility, right? Not the ones that lied about Iraq having weapons of mass destruction. Not the ones that lied about covid being a Chinese bioweapon while murdering their own citizens because doing something to protect people from covid would reduce profits. Not the ones that lied about Hamas beheading babies. Any intelligence group that ever spread any of those lies has zero credibility.
Russia clearly won, but even if your interjection is plausible. Not if we (Arabs) succeed in dragging the US into another losing war in the Middle East. They are already abandoning Ukraine for Israel. Just imagine if we managed to get troops in Yemen. The US is exercising restraint with Yemen for a reason, already spread too thin and just came out of two losing wars, and we will keep triggering it until it bites.
Not really, the US has been pumping the breaks on Israeli aid because of the indiscriminate bombings in Gaza. The US believes the civilians in Gaza have a right to their territory as a 2 state solution is desired.
pumping the breaks on Israeli aid
PENTAGON TAPS “TIGER TEAM” TO RUSH WEAPONS TO ISRAEL
literally yesterday. I know you’re trying to still believe the US Government/Biden has any morality here but they don’t. Stop listening to the lies of politicians, you are being misled and now you’re spreading disinformation in service of ethnic cleansing and imperialism.
Actions are more important than words. The U.S. is going out of its way to expedite the artillery needed to continue Israel’s indiscriminate bombing of civillians in its ongoing genocidal campaign against Palestinians.
Please I am begging you do not take these organizations at face value- read what the poster above you sent and recognize the distance between the statement “You need to comply with international law more closely” and the action: here is a way for us to get you bombs for you to use more quickly.
If on one hand part of the state apparatus is signaling for “restraint” but the state is accelerating its ability to provide weapons that its calling for restraint in use of the actual stance is clear: what you’re doing is fine by the state.
It’s alright, we can agree to disagree. Biden has criticized the Netanyahu government for their treatment of Palestinians. More should be done to ensure their safety, hence the conditial provisions of arms, but the United States policy stance has clear ambitions for a 2 state solution. Neither Hamas, nor the Netantahu government are okay with this, however it remains the United States ambition. I truly hope we can see this conflict resolved in my lifetime.
20,000 Palestinians are dead because of Joe Biden. You can’t spin it any other way. The US under Biden is guilty of genocide.
You still haven’t been able to back up your claim that the USA is putting the breaks on it’s aid of Isreal because of the genocide. All you’ve done is point to the US going “we’d like it if you slowed down on the genocide, but we’ll 100 support you if you don’t” and tried to equivocate that as being the same, when it really isn’t.
This really opened my mind, thank you. It’s wild what westerners will want to believe. I’m assuming that lemmy isn’t big enough for bots yet.
Did anyone ever tell you the saying “actions speak louder than words” as a kid? Now apply that to state actors. No matter what words their US uses, no matter their criticism, their actions are very clear.
The US believes the civilians in Gaza have a right to their territory as a 2 state solution is desired.
The US is bankrolling the genocide and vetoed the ceasefire. Who are you lying to? The US and its interests are a fair and legitimate targets because of its involvement and complicity in the genocide.
Joe Biden Moves to Lift Nearly Every Restriction on Israel’s Access to U.S. Weapons Stockpile https://theintercept.com/2023/11/25/biden-israel-weapons-stockpile-arms-gaza/
Don’t be fooled. Biden is fully signed up to ethnic cleansing in Gaza https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/israel-palestine-war-gaza-biden-fully-signed-up-genocide
As a defensive partner it makes sense to continue to provide aid and arms to Israel for defensive purposes, which includes the removal of a condemned terrorist organization as the acting government of the Gaza strip. This does not reduce or remove the US effort to provide aid and humanitarian support to the citizens of Gaza. A 2 state solution remains the policy of the United States, even if this is a foil with both Hamas and the Netantahu government.
I want you to consider this comment and compare it to your previous comment above. You said that the US is reducing spending on Israel because of Israel’s brutal actions. Then when it was pointed out to you that they in fact were doing the opposite, your response was not to then say “wow, that’s really shitty of them” but instead to try and justify their actions to yourself.
Have you no brain? No heart? No soul? No spine? Is this really the person you want to be? Someone licking the boot of the dickhead politicians in Washington so much that you’ll abandon any and all morals to do so? It’s ok to be mad at your government when they do shitty things, even if they are “your team.”
defensive purposes
You wouldn’t say this if it was Russia bombing Ukrainians. I’m gonna blame this on racism against Arabs. No other reason to describe the murder of 18,000 civilians and the bombing of schools and hospitals as defensive.
condemned terrorist organization
Citation needed.
According to Wikipedia the countries that consider it as terrorist are only than 13% of the world’s population. That doesn’t seem like much condemnation when 87% of the world aren’t on board.
Russia has been and is currently bombing Ukrainians on sovereign land. Pretty easy to learn this tidbit of information.
And the Palestinians are bombed where? in the skies? they are being bombed on their own land that was stolen from them, and in the refugee camps they are forced to live in. Internally displaced on their own land.
Almost as if the interests of the American people would be better served if America didn’t feel compelled to interject itself in every conflict in the world.
Again threatening us with a good time, but unfortunately this is probably worth as much as the pile of manure western think tanks were feeding the world in Ukraine topic before.
So i read it and yup, the exact same manure and it’s still sprinkled with copium
It would give China the green light to flex its power over a weakened US and cost US taxpayers an “astronomical” sum to pay for beefed-up defense spending.
“Such an outcome would bring a battered but triumphant Russian army right up to NATO’s border from the Black Sea to the Arctic Ocean,”
That would mean that the US would be forced to deploy a “sizable portion” of its ground forces to Eastern Europe
Literally every paragraph is crybullying and saberratling. They really get paid heavy money for that regurgitated nonsense?
expand NATO to meet Russia’s borders
cry that the russian army is right up to NATO’s border
???
What I love the most about these articles is how they just treat the idea that US needs to dominate the world militarily as being axiomatic. It’s never explained why this is in the interest of American people, it’s just a given that US will have to keep expanding the military at the cost of the standard of living of its people because reasons.
I’ve experienced some violence in my life, and I consider the fact that I need to be ready to protect myself to be axiomatic too. I honestly can’t remember why I didn’t think that way before, but I know that ever since being terrified as someone tried to kill me, nothing is okay unless I’m safe. The fact that I need to maintain the capacity for violence and the capacity to win that violence is just built into me now. Like needing to breathe.
Except, the difference with your analogy is that US is not a victim of violence, it’s the country that goes around the world to invade and brutalize other countries. It’s a country equivalent of a sadistic serial killer.
So the “promoting debate” person is a bit right?
This is a real nothingburger article. It’s literally just “The US was hoping it would win this war it started, because losing will cost them more.”
And of course they throw in China there, which gets barely a mention in the article (they even accidentally admit that the only reason Taiwan hasn’t reunified is because of US meddling.) It’s just bog standard “think tank” stuff of “You’d better give the MIC more money, we’re experts, so give them more money, they need more money. More.”
EDIT: I guess it does detail the US’s overall plans once they lose. They will probably make Europe pay huge amounts for “advanced” and very expensive weapons, seems like they’ll be pushing all the losses onto Europe. Sounds like Europe’s going to have to make some “austerity measures” of their own so the ghouls in Washington can continue to exploit someone.
