• LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    0
    ·
    8 months ago

    The tech industry understands consent just fine, the corpos will ignore the idea however if it means less revenue and can’t have that because capitalism.

    I’m giving the benefit of the doubt to every one of these shitty clickbait article authors about “tech industry” and “software engineering circles” that the authors aren’t dense and know random code monkeys aren’t evil or too stupid to figure out opt-in is more ethical, they just work for corps that have to make money because capitalism, but they post their stupid garbage anyway because it gets clicks.

    Don’t post it here.

    • porgamrer@programming.dev
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      edit-2
      8 months ago

      Why would you discourage interesting, original journalism over such an obtuse nitpick?

      They are clearly criticising the same capitalist structures that you are. They single out the tech industry because the article is about the misuse of tech, not because they think rank and file tech workers are deviants.

      Frankly it comes off as fragile and dismissive, and if that’s what we’re doing we could have just stayed on reddit.

      • cbarrick@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        0
        ·
        8 months ago

        While the tone of the comment is dismissive, they have a point.

        It’s not the engineers that are the problem, or even limited to the tech industry. Dark patterns are top-down business decisions, motivated by money.

        It’s not that the “tech industry doesn’t understand consent,” but rather that greedy people do evil things. And software is just a low hanging fruit for that kind of business.

        • vzq@lemmy.blahaj.zone
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          0
          ·
          8 months ago

          It’s not the engineers that are the problem, or even limited to the tech industry. Dark patterns are top-down business decisions, motivated by money.

          Just following orders, right?

          Come on, that’s not how morality works.

          • LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            0
            ·
            8 months ago

            Are you a moron? Because you sound like one. Are you really equating wageslaves working for Google instead of facilitating the sale of gazillions of far more unethical products at their local Walmart by being an associate customer success checkout wagie or smth to soldiers committing attrocities? Do you not even realize the “you hate prison, yet you participate in it - curious” levels of bullshit that view entails?

            Because if you did that you’d be a moron. You are a moron.

            • vzq@lemmy.blahaj.zone
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              0
              ·
              8 months ago

              Are you seriously suggesting knowledge workers have no responsibility for how their work is used?

              • HowManyNimons@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                0
                ·
                8 months ago

                We have limited options in what we can do to get money. I currently have a job where I’m proud of what I do, but it took decades of working for assholes to get there. Even now I’m not comfortable with everything I’m asked to do. I push back when it’s unethical, and sometimes that changes things. Sometimes it doesn’t and I just have to do as I’m told. What’s your life like?

                • Corbin@programming.devOP
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  0
                  ·
                  8 months ago

                  I directly tell my managers that what they are asking for is illegal, and then I refuse to do it. So far, I’ve yet to be forced to “do as I’m told,” and I doubt that this will ever be a problem for me as I don’t intend to sign up for the military or any other organization that can actually force people to follow orders.

    • phonyphanty@pawb.social
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      8 months ago

      Nowhere in the article does the author pin blame on individual employees. “Tech industry” obviously refers to corporations, not individual contributors. The title isn’t clickbait.

      • LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        0
        ·
        8 months ago

        “Tech industry” does not mean that, it could just as well mean “people in the tech industry” which means “people who work in the tech industry”. The author uses this because it’s the boogeyman du jour with Sam altman and such but his entire essay is dancing around the point that it’s capitalism and has nothing to do with tech or is even specific to it. They would’ve probably had more of an article if they tried to specifically tie it to Nestle than the Tech Industry but it wouldn’t get them those precious clicks.

        • Big P@feddit.uk
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          0
          ·
          8 months ago

          This also isn’t only the tech industry, it’s any industry. Pushy door to door salespeople aren’t in the tech industry.