• Saapas@piefed.zip
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        Russia stops the invasion, nothing changes for Russia. Ukraine surrenders, no more Ukraine.

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          8 hours ago

          If the war keeps going there will be no more Ukraine. Peace now on Russia’s terms is the only way to preserve it.

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            8 hours ago

            If the war keeps going there will be no more Ukraine

            Fucking grim what Russia is doing. It’s like Israel to Palestine.

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              7 hours ago

              It’s actually the exact opposite. It is the Ukrainian Nazis who think and behave exactly like the Zionists. They even openly say that they want to turn Ukraine into a “larger Israel”.

              It is these Banderite fascists, who have illegally seized control of Ukraine and brutally repress the population, who have a fanatical ethnic hatred of Russians and who want to ethnically cleanse Ukraine of everything Russian like the Israelis want to do to Palestinians.

              The Russians don’t and have never reciprocated this hatred. They consider the Ukrainians their brothers. The liberated territories are full of Russian speaking Ukrainians who now live as equal Russian citizens. There are millions of Ukrainian refugees who chose to go to Russia.

              If and when Russia completely absorbs Ukraine the Ukrainians (those who aren’t Nazis) will still be living on their land, just as peacefully as any of the other 150+ ethnic minorities in the Russian Federation. The same cannot be said of the Palestinians and their stolen land.

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                    7 hours ago

                    If the war keeps going there will be no more Palestine. Peace now on Israel’s terms is the only way to preserve it.

                    I’ve definitely heard people say that

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          Where do you get this Lord of the Rings-ass idea? Russia doesn’t want to absorb Ukraine because

          A) They do not want to be responsible for decades of Banderite insurgencies, and

          B) Doing so would mean that they now share a vulnerable border with a NATO member which is, and I cannot stress this enough, most of the reason they went into Ukraine in the first place.

          What they actually want is a buffer zone in the form of a demilitarized Ukraine.

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            8 hours ago

            “Nah they don’t want to take over, they just want to make it into a weak country they totally control”

            Lmao that’s great I wonder why Ukraine doesn’t go for that

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              8 hours ago

              Totally control

              Did you read anything I said? They do not want to be responsible for the dealing with the shambles that Ukraine has become. It benefits them far more to let that be Europe’s burden

              It doesn’t matter what the Ukranian government wants or doesnt want, they’ve lost the war. If you don’t like it, take it up with the nazis in charge or the Americans who put them there in the 2014 Maidan coup and told them they could win. The Ukranian people overwhelmingly want peace. There were so many offramps before this point, and the US puppet government refused all of them, so now here we are learning an object lesson in why diplomacy is preferable to belligerence.

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                  8 hours ago

                  You have an eleven year old’s idea of how and why wars happen, and a fourteen year old’s habit of retreating to moody sarcasm when you realize you’re out of your depth in an argument.