Tell me there are no women in your life without saying there are no women in your life.
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Oh cool, GFR has finally gone mask-off.
This has always been the case, but I’m going to take this opportunity to state that links to that site are not allowed here, and will be removed on sight.
Allowing this to stay up but not linking to it seems wrong. I don’t know anything about this site other than the headline but if you disagree that strongly, which seems to be the right reaction, you should ban the headlines too.
Yeah! Let’s pretend nothing bad exists, just live in our bubble where everything is fine and dandy.
Noted?
Oh, you’re that type of person. Ok, noted.
More republicans making lists. Noted.
Check again
don’t like it, then leave, I guess?
that’s what a normal person would do.
Thankfully I’m not normal so I added a message to explain to others who are out of the loop wtf is happening, something op should have done but failed to do
https://vger.to/lemmy.myserv.one/comment/16646604
Oh look, you already responded to it.
@ValueSubtracted Thanks for the reminder. Yeah, I would never link because eww, but a screenshot for general pointing-and-laughing was just too tempting.
Hell yeah. I love the way Trek makes people like this piss and squeal and moan.
This is some spectacular persecution fetish, my god.
Tbh I think we need to accept that they’re so turned on by the idea that they’ve effectively given prior consent.
Kirk was kissing black ladies back when that was basically illegal. What the fuck is this? Don’t blame the “they put politics in my Trek” crowd on Trek crowd, man, those dudes were always just idiots.
@PhilipTheBucket They get such a shallow understanding of things, and then get all butt hurt when other people provide a much more logical interpretation based on the specifically stated intents of the original show creators.
Yeah conveniently the photo they chose left uhura out…
Probably just a coincidence
About that picture… Is that chief O’Brien?
Here’s Making of Deep Space Nine Season 5, Episode 6 “Trials and Tribble-ations”.
Don’t skip the commercials.
It’s from DS9’s Trials and Tribble-ations
Yeah, they nabbed a screenshot from one of the best episodes of DS9
DO NOT look up screenshots of Terry Farrell in Trials and Tribble-ations if you are not prepared to immediately fall in love with her again
Yes, it’s from Deep Space Nine Season 5, Episode 6 “Trials and Tribble-ations”.
The trouble with these Tribbles, they’re fuzzy and they’re cute but I can never find the hole.
I mean what?
It’s funny, i just watched this episode for the first time!
Wow lol
I should probably give DS9 another try
Yes you should.
Especially when the first season episodes open up with a story arc involving nationalism, immigration and xenophobia.
Yes. The character arcs are the best thus far. It’s less “police procedural” than the prior two. And Sisko is the best Captain.
It’s great when it was on TV. I thought Sisko was a great, friendly, fatherly figure, and Odo and Quark were great fun.
After having seen some eps with my wife, and reading stuff on the wiki, fucking hell. Sisko is basically Douglas MacArthur, and takes picard’s “first duty of every starfleet officer is to the truth” speech and sees it as a personal challenge to defy it as hard has he can, while screaming “You betrayed your uniform!” to any maquis he sees.
Which, to be fair, the maquis are not in the right, but fucking whatever.
The charector arcs in the show are complex, especially for the early 90s. Sisko is largely an honorable man, but the nature of the roles he assumes strain him, force him in difficult directions.
The marquies in a lot of ways are personal to him. A dear friend defects to them early, and then he gets rolled later by others he trusts. He basically has direct bad blood with them.
Some of the other choices he makes? Fucked up, but to the shows credit, they lean into it and dont pretend hes the good guy when they happen.
definitely. I also had a hard time starting it, but it gets really really good after the first couple episodes
Yes. That’s from Deep Space Nine. S5E6 Trials and Tribbleations. A neat mashup that puts the DS9 crew into the original tribbles episode.
That’s the first thing I wondered
I mean, a show like Star Trek couldn’t possibly do well pushing a progressive worldview, right? Definitely it would have to appeal to
bigotsconservatives, or it would tank. No progressiveness on Star Trek, no sir./s
I was only 14 when I put on my big boy pants and learned from the Bell Riots that socialism was bad and I will forever ignore the factors that create such mass unemployment.
Can’t tell if serious or sarcasm
@owenfromcanada These people have invested their entire identities in being miserable. Which ironic because ST is largely optimistic about the future.
I wish republicans would just die. How about that?
@LadyMeow I was hoping they’d all be raptured a couple of weeks ago. Imagine all the problems that would have immediately been solved.
That would work for me! :3
Not just Republicans…anyone that votes for a conservative party.
This is hilarious to me so I looked up the original article and I am pretty sure that it is largely written by AI.
Also, not that it needs or deserves any kind of analysis, but the central premise (as much as I can decipher from all the ChatGPT fluff) appears to be: “Because Trekkies are conservative, Star Trek is doing everything it can to make men hate it.” which obviously makes no sense. Why would a company create a piece of media knowing it would be unpopular with it’s core demographic?
Anyway thanks for the laugh, OP.
Weird. My stay at home mom and favorite aunt watched it back when TVs had 5 stations on a dial. They introduced me, female, to it at a young age. None of us are Trump voters.
The only dislike expressed was for the Spock’s brain episode. They still talk about what a terrible episode they thought it was.
Where is this article getting their demographic numbers, wishful thinking? The wiki says it’s always been a diverse viewership with a slight skew to male.
Consider yourself blessed to be unaware of the entire digital media ecosystem that targets insecure white men via their preferred fandoms and is dedicated to blaming women and minorities for their issues.
Where is this article getting their demographic numbers, wishful thinking?
Oh don’t worry, it’s very scientific:
If you think I’m underestimating the number of Trek’s female viewers, scroll through the comments on any Star Trek-related content anywhere on the internet. Then count the number of female commenters. You’ll see a lot of guys named Steve, but you won’t see many Jennifers.
@Kirk Gotta appreciate the thinly veiled “great fan replacement” theory. How very subtle. I’m sure the author (whoever that is) felt ever so witty.
It seems the only data provided about the demographics and political leanings of the fandom are anecdotal accounts from social media. Do you think it ever occurred to the author that they might just have an algorithm that recognizes their preference for shitty content?
Well the reasoning in the article has nothing to do with the audience being conservative. It’s: Star Trek has a mainly male audience. Males are conservative. Then they show some picture how males went more conservative some 50 years(!) after it aired… I’m speechless. Maybe AI “reasoning”. Or just very, very stupid.
It’s the stupid bit
Yeah, and super weird to write something like this about Star Trek of all the fiction out there. I can’t remember any episode where stupidity is portrayed as good or acceptable?! I mean the whole point of TOS is all the characters who are lined up on that picture, being clever in very different ways and combining that to have some fun in outta space…
So…Republicans are fans of space communism?
Conservatives like Star Trek because it promotes the values of meritocracy, hierarchy, authority, and military discipline. None of these are commonly held by people in the American left (especially not the academic left, which tend to be pretty anti-hierarchical, anti-authoritarian).
The people usually referred to as Republicans these days are right-wing populists. They have very little in common with the types of conservatives who loved the franchise in the 20th century. Those older conservatives are almost extinct in the Republican Party today.
it promotes the values of meritocracy,
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None of these are commonly held by people in the American left
Troll or idiot?! Taking all bets! I also offer videoooo poookkeeer!
The right loves meritocracy. To them it means everyone got what they deserve, from the homeless to the billionaires.
Oh, is that why they kept ethnic minorities out of positions of power and established structures of “not what you know, but who you know” and established “legacy admissions” for the children of huge donors?
No, that’s because they’re racist. They can have different motivations to do what they do.
they have “legacy admissions” for inbred, stupid children of rich donors because they are racist and not because their father donated the “Libertarian Friedman” wing of the campus?
Remember not so long ago when people noticed that Rise Against makes political songs? A lot of people are blind to stuff like this until you point it out.
Likewise with Rage Against The Machine
My absolute favorite bit of social media was this instagram exchange. It just encapsulates so much that’s inherently stupid with it.
Mine was when, i don’t remember, speaker of the house ®?, said his favorite band was rage against the machine.
Like dude, those guys hate you.
As I recall the exchange, Paul Ryan said at one point that RATM was one of his favorite bands. Morello was asked about it in an interview, and said something to the effect of “He can like what he wants, but he’s part of the machine we’re raging against”
“What do you think is the machine they are raging against? The fucking printer?”
Yeah, I’m rollin’ down Rodeo with some toner
These people ain’t seen a color print since their grandparents inkjet
TBF, I do really hate my printer.
But what about… 35 pieces of flair?
@Archangel1313 Noooo, true ST is about straight manly men kicking alien butts!
Bold of you to assume they know it’s space communism. If the boys is of any indication Star Trek needs to explicitly say “we’re space communism” for there to be a 50/50 chance of Republicans getting it.
Yes, the true fans of the TV show about space communism and racial equality has always been
*checks notes
Republicans?
Hilarious. The Republicans are watching progressive shit promoting liberalism, equality and ethics? A communist utopia?
Yeah there are ideologies that most people can’t handle or comprehend today:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_conservatism
This and Rockerfeller Republicanism (sometimes called the east coast elite).
Then there are things that make more sense, like Christian Distributism, Communitarianism, Georgism. Put all this together and you realise, there are definitely ways to Socialism that run through Conservatism. Most people can’t handle or understand this idea.
@DarkCloud If I wanted to be charitable, I’d acknowledge that there haven’t really been progressive Republicans pretty much since Reagan, so younger conservatives haven’t been exposed to them.
It’s unfortunate that young leftists don’t understand the real territory of rightwing politics (their deeper espoused values), because there are genuine avenues for fractures and change there.
Conservatives tend to be statists even though they’ve been brainwashed into thinking they’re not. They tend to want grand projects, community halls, roman columns, socialism for their neighborhoods, family, community, and churches - none of which economic Libertarians agree with. Libertarians would be buying the marble back to sell it on the freemarket then eyeing the family and wondering why they can’t buy them as slaves too. Really opposing philosophies if you go by their ideals.
Then throw the Christian Distributism, Communitarianism, and Georgism in there, and Conservativism starts to look pretty leftwing, leaving Libertarians out in the cold.
Throw in a concept like Aesthetic Justice, the idea that poor suburbs should look and be designed to be beautiful and that that would reduce crime, create safer, more neighbourly communities - stuff like that might even break the conservative’s love of military policing.
It’s all a matter of perspective.
This is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard. Star Trek is the original woke.
A black woman was part of command staff on the bridge.
They entertained TVs first interracial kiss.
Their society doesn’t involve money.
They have a no interference policy as the prime directive, completely opposite the bottom line of the United States.
Roddenberry knew Takei was gay.
For an example of TOS’ level of woke, please refer to Season 3, Episode 15: Let That Be Your Last Battlefield
Conservatives do not understand subtext, satire, or allegory. They don’t assign what they like or don’t based on any meaningful understanding of the message it conveys. They get told what to like and believe by authority and follow it, constantly dismissing or dissonancing any message from what they consume that doesn’t align with their instilled beliefs.
@Zephorah And all of this is pretty obvious to anyone with their brain turned on. But even that seems a bridge too far for some.
Yeah it’s a profoundly stupid take.
There’s the famous Whoopi Goldberg quote about how as a little kid she saw it with a black woman not beimg a maid and running around the house screaming about it in celebration
There’s the famous story about Nichelle Nichols wanting to quit to do plays until MLK jr told her that she needed to stay for black people everywhere to be represented as an equal member of the crew, and it was the only show he’d let his kids stay up late to watch.
From its inception it’s been “woke” by daring to put both a black woman and an asian man in roles where they were to be treated as equals and valued members of the group.
I’d like to add more examples, but it’s been so long since I’ve watched any star trek.
Even into the later series, people had to fight to do interesting things with it. IIRC the network was skittish about Voyager because nobody would possibly be interested in a scifi show with a female lead.
Another example : roddenbury wanted the 1st officer to be a woman on TOS, and shot the pilot with Majel Barret in the role, well before they were married. The studio shot it down and ordered a new pilot.
DS9 has lots of stuff against racism, either with aliens or black people in time travel episodes. And the one where Quark transitions for an episode and it’s not just milked for laughs or similar, for the 90s that was handled pretty tactfully. lots of womens rights topics, especially with Ferengi.
And in a way that whole show was a critique of imperialism/colonialism
That’s the episode I cited.
They entertained TVs first interracial kiss
This is not true, in several ways.
Firstly, it needs the modifier “American” in there. The UK’s first interracial kiss on TV, for example, was in 1962.
Secondly, if we’re defining “interracial” as specifically between someone Black and someone white, then Nancy Sinatra & Sammy Davis Jr. preceded Star Trek by a year.
Thirdly, perceptions of race change. The studio which made I Love Lucy was extremely hesitant to allow Ball & Arnaz to portray themselves as a married couple, precisely because the fact that Arnaz was Cuban meant that the marriage was “interracial”. The kiss they shared in the first episode - in 1951 - would have been seen at the time as an interracial kiss.
Fourthly, even without a changing definition of race there had been previous interracial kisses on the lips on US television - William Shatner himself had previously twice shared a romantic on-screen kiss with someone of Asian descent, once actually in Star Trek.
None of this is to diminish the importance, impact, or progressiveness of the Uhura/Kirk kiss, but it is often overstated. It doesn’t need to be the first ever interracial kiss on TV to be significant. If it really does have to be the first ever something, then it’s the first ever kiss on the lips on US television between a Black person and a white person.
I absolutely love when people troll (internationally or not) by mentioning Uhura/Kirk as TV’s first interracial kiss. It makes me giggle to see these extremely “well actually” pedantic responses. Yours is great! Do you have that saved as a copy paste?
Do you have one for Rosa Parks? You might be surprised to learn she wasn’t the first. She was “chosen” as flag bearer for the fight because she had a cleaner image.
What an odd response
How delusional do you have to be to believe this?
Republican levels, so checks out?
Slash fic as it originated in modern fan culture was Kirk/Spock and spread through zines written by women in the 60s.
Also I’ve been watching TNG for the first time lately (late to trek) and I honestly don’t understand how conservatives could really enjoy the best episodes. Like I watched The Drumhead (s4e21) last night and it was aggressively unsubtlely anti conservative. Like honestly I regret not keeping notes from the start of this watch through to have good episodes to recommend to people. First Contact (s4e14) had the villain literally be a conservative trying to preserve his society’s way of life against the progress it would have to deal with if it encountered aliens.
I could drop all the acid in the world and still not come up with a take this fucking deranged.
@don Toxic masculinity is a helluva drug.
…Masculinity? This is bog standard “conformist imagining a we to be a part of”. It’s why the “moral majority” thing had the impact it did.
The issue is that Star Trek happened to appeal to all, not just American Repulsicans.
