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[…] I announce that our move off of wlroots is now complete and MR 6608 is now merged.
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Well done to Vaxry and co for achieving such a feat! I still think it’s completely pointless but at least it will mean that it can now be more easily packaged for other distros, as it avoids the issue with using tagged wlroots.
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American left-wing values
Hold up, what? The Overton window of US politics is so skewed to the right that what is usually considered left-wing there is right-wing elsewhere. US left-wing (read right-wing for much of the rest of the world) values are definitely common globally due to American cultural export (read military hegemony and neocolonialism).
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woke ideology
Like basic respect for others?
not allowed to say anything
Yeah, this is just not true. Unlike those who are actually marginalized, these people say nasty shit and claim that being called a dickhead for it is a violation of their freedom of speech. The reality is that they actually want some sort of immunity to backlash for their own words and actions, effectively limiting other people’s freedom of expression.
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You misunderstand what I am saying: They are mostly (save where hate speech laws apply) allowed to say nasty stuff. They just do not enjoy the privilege of everyone else shutting up about it. I.e., other people react to it and say unkind, possibly nasty stuff back, which the original people in question get butt hurt by and subsequently whine about “the woke mob cancelling them”.
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The woke mob wants me to affirm that a transsexual woman is, in fact, a real woman. I will not say that. I would be a lying. I tend to pursue truth. Truth does not care about people’s feelings.
Ok. Seems to me that you just want a free pass at being an ass.
She is a real woman even though she does not conform to your expectations of what gender is. Here is the thing though: She does not need your affirmation to
- be real
- look like a woman
- live like a woman
- feel like a woman.
What reason do you have to claim that she is not a “real woman” (whatever that means, I can guarantee that it is not well defined)? Most importantly, if she feels like a woman, even if you disagree on some metaphysical level of nonsense of what is a woman, why would you have the need to tell her what you think? Lastly, why do you think your opinion about her body is important?
This is just far left acting like how they always act, isolating folks to satisfy their reaching arguments. This does no benefit to FDO. If you ask all these people for any source they will share a 2yr old drew vaults blogpost. They can just go to discord or github and screenshot the alleged “bigoted fascist pos owner and community” but for now they will just stick to making hypothetical scenarios of how they will get harassed for contributing.
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I’ve got a track for that:
In other words, Vaxry is so unwilling to compromise or learn from others that he would rather isolate his project from the broader FOSS community. That says a lot about him and the people who support him, especially since this conflict with freedesktop.org started over Vaxry condoning hateful trolling of trans people within the Hyprland community.
This is a problem for me as a Hyprland user because if I share some rice I made or make suggestions for other users, I’m leading people into a community that may be actively hateful towards them. It utterly extinguishes any enthusiasm I have for the project. I like the software but I’d rather be part of a project and a community that I can feel good and excited about. Maybe time to find a new tiling Wayland compositor.
Wrong. This was originally technically motivated as hyprland had been limited by wlroots in the past and often had different update cycles from sway causing packaging issues.
Vaxry never condoned hateful trolling of trans people. In fact, he publicly acknowledged, and apologized for the lack of moderation that lead to the incident, said he would do better, DID better, and THEN after everything had blown over FDO tried to ego butt into his server even more.
I’ll quote Vaxry from his blog:
“Obviously, the fact that I am banned from contributing to Freedesktop - and by extension wlroots, is another big factor, and probably the one that finally tipped the scales, because I am no longer allowed to participate in discussion or contribute code to wlroots.”
https://blog.vaxry.net/articles/2024-wlrootsRewrite
“I definitely am not a fan of how seemingly weak people online, especially teenagers, have become. Words are just words. Someone calling another person a “retard” shouldn’t really be a big deal.”
"I said:
if I run a discord server around cultivating tomatoes, I should not exclude people based on their political beliefs, unless they use my discord server to spread those views. which means even if they are literally adolf hitler, I shouldn’t care, as long as they don’t post about gassing people on my server
that is inclusivity
Which I definitely stand by."
is another big factor, and probably the one that finally tipped the scales
means that it is not the sole motivating factor.
which means even if they are literally adolf hitler, I shouldn’t care, as long as they don’t post about gassing people on my server
Literally means that if they go around spewing crap, they get dealt with. This is not condoning hateful trolling at all. He is on the free speech side of things, but that doesn’t mean he condones it at all. If you start posting bad crap, you get dealt with. Minor slights, are as the name implies, minor. Those are allowed but within strict limitations, if you start going full blown idiot, you get dealt with.
Thanks for sharing this. I will install hyperland.
He’s completely right about everything there.
Unless he is selectively banning trans people, not making a tech discord server about those discussions is perfectly fine.
if I share some rice I made
FYI: rice is derived from a racist pejorative term. A lot of people in the desktop theming community have stopped using it.
Fair enough
It’s so ironic how many downvotes this is getting in the context of this thread.
Mostly because the “reddit mentality” has already established in this community, where the downvote exists solely as a self-validation/“dopamine fix” feature rather than flagging a post as bad and irrelevant.
You’re right that felt good
My partner is Korean, and I asked her if she thought this was racist. She said “it is (technically), but who is getting offended by that?”
I never used the term in the first place, but if I did, I wouldn’t stop saying it because I know about its past.
I’m fully convinced that anyone who is sincerely offended by that term is looking for something to be offended by.
I don’t waste my time thinking about how “smooth brain” is offensive to people who literally have a smooth brain.
I don’t waste my time dictating to the English; their colloquial term for a “cigarette” is inappropriate nowadays.
And I don’t waste my time replying to comments on Lemmy regarding semantics.
Oh, wait…
Languages evolve over time. The term “to serve” is derived from the Latin word for “slave”. That does not mean it’s somehow offensive to use the term to describe the job of soldiers.
The modern day “riced” comes from “R.I.C.E” which stands for “race inspired car enhancement”. If you rice a car, it means you put components that look like race car components but are actually just cosmetic. Fake vents, huge spoilers on family cars, exhausts that are optically bigger, etc. The orange Japanese car in the linked article is an example of that. 70s Japan had renown ricing culture so I guess that’s where the R.I.C.E and the racist “rice burner” split.
Nowadays people who use the term “riced” don’t even know that at some point in time it had something to do with Asian cars or bikes. It’s even common to jokingly associate it with the food with the same name to spite other car nerds because you can “um actually” bait someone to correct you that it has nothing to do with food. Which is obviously not true according to the article but if 99 % of people don’t know the racist origin, it’s not an issue at all to use the word.
Well thats not true
I can’t find any source to indicate Race Inspired Cosmetic Enhancement was ever a term that existed as anything other than the Japanese version of an N-word-pass.
The difference, however, is that the term is so far removed now, that some people wouldn’t even know they should feel offended, unless someone told them they should be.
I cannot give you any source, unless you want to waste hours of your time watching some car videos. The difference between an n-word pass and rice-pass is what you mean with that. Some secret way of saying the n-word does not change its racist connotation but a ricer by default has nothing to do with race. If you want to be racist, you would have to explicitly specify that you are talking about the owner’s race or the car’s origin or whatever.
The term is so far removed from any malicious origin, that some people wouldn’t even know they should feel offended, unless someone told them they should be.
That’s not normal human behavior. Try to imagine it. 3 people are going down the street. One of them points out that a car on the street is “riced”. Second one tells the third who is of Japanese origin, that he should get offended because of the word’s origin. It would be weird to get offended because someone told you to.
Nevermind Southeast Asia is powered by their staple rice. USA is powered by corn, gasoline is goosed with corn alcohol so we have corn burners *LOL*
I’m gonna corn my ford f150
I feel that like idiot, “ricing” is far enough removed from its roots that its fine. Thats just my opinion though
As someone who found out it’s origin by casually using it in reference to my asian buddy’s PC, I’m here to let you know it’s not.
its* origin
And at least in the Unix context it’s a positive term.
Imagine having to rebase your entire project because you’re a piece of shit.
This is the first I’ve heard of it. What’s the deal?
Vaxry, the main dev of Hyprland, got banned from all aspects of freedesktop.org for multiple CoC violations.
Yikes. Thanks for the summary. I’ll look into the details when I’m at my desktop.
People keep saying this happened only because vaxry got banned from the FDO, completely forgetting the fact that hyprland has used their own modified fork of wlroots for ages now. They’ve wanted to get away from wlroots even before this whole fiasco, it really just tipped the needle for them to finally pull the trigger.
Mind you also, the ban in no way prevents hyprland from using wlroots still. The only thing the ban did was prevent vaxry from contributing to wlroots upstream, which is damn unfortunate if you ask me.
You believe his “fuck you guys, wlroots sucks anyway” blog post? In that case I have a wonderful bridge for sale that you might be interested in.
I don’t need a blog post to know this, considering I’ve been closely following hyprland since vaxry’s first posts about it on reddit over 2 years ago.
Neat
What would be the advantages of using this over, say i3? (Does it summarize to X vs Wayland)
The equivalent of i3 on Wayland is Sway; it’s even compatible with i3 config files, it’s a true successor. Hyprland is popular because of the eye candy and its rapid adoption of features which patch over some of the gaps in Wayland functionality. However I think those advantages have become fewer and farther, I personally use sway and if I wanted the visuals I’d use the swayfx fork
Mostly, yes, X vs Wayland. Hyprland also has a lot more eye candy in the way of window animations for snapping, dragging, etc. I find the Hyprland config file simpler too, but that’s just me.
Yes. Also plus eye candy with hyprland. Sway is the i3 experience on Wayland. The official roadmap for i3 is to fall into obscurity as Xorg goes away. They explicitly call out that other things exist for Wayland and adjusting i3 would distract resources from those projects
Wow! Just like how I moved away from Hyprland. :)
Your loss lol
i was here for systemd round 2
Does this have something to do with the author being banned from freedesktop?
Partially, it also had strong technical motivations.
Yes
For everyone shitting about Vaxry, I recommend reading both sides of the equation, not only FDO/Drew’s.
Reading his side of it only made me dislike him him more…
I read #bothsides and concluded that Vaxry and his boys club are fascist cunts.
Just looked into this drama because I had no idea what the fuck was going on, and MAJOR YIKES
Nice job on not adding nothing relevant other than “(Folks that doesn’t like the same stuff as I do) are (buzzwords).” – you are not better than em.
What is there more to add? I literally read both sides arguments and seen the evidence. Hyperlands community is a cesspool. They are extremely hateful against everyone who isn’t an english speaking white straight man and even then you are not safe from their hate. When Vaxry was called out on his communities behaviour the immediate reaction was aggression and once he was banned from FDO he played the victim. This is right out of the fascists playbook.
Whether I am better then them or not was never the question and also requires a criteria to measure against. If ability to be hateful against transpeople is the criteria, then I have to admit I am thoroughly beaten.
Vaxry is not English-speaking, I think i read somewhere that they’re from Poland
Well he speaks english so in that sense he’s english speaking
Exactly, vaxry apologized for the lack of moderation and took changes that prevented the incident. to which FDO said, “he we are onto something, we can push our divisive politics here” then got angry when he rightfully told them to fuck off
The only defense of Vaxry ever presented was that he was a bigot on his own discord and not freedesktop’s. He’s a shit bag and he can take his i3 for fascists elsewhere.
The mail threads and chat screenshots show his side.
Ngl this will blow over in like 2 weeks, FOSS drama has the lifespan of a moth
Wow. Too bad people can’t get past themselves and grow together over preferring to hold on to a situation to be enraged about forever. Sorry no apologies accepted ever. I’ve established a pattern as victim, jury, and judge and my position is rational and not emotional and I will sound off to squash the bigotry as the only way to defeat it is to never move past it.
Pound sand nerd. The chief operating bigot of hyprland never apologized and chose to rebase their entire wm instead of being normal.
He also did create one of the best wayland wm’s. So he was never normal.
If you bother to read any of the posts you’ll see he claims he apologized already and then re-appologized in the post. But that doesn’t fit the narrative and since we’ve all forgotten how to make mistakes and grow from them together why bother even reading the links people share, they just way down your snap judgements that lead to your outrage fix.
But don’t mind me I’m just a random internet person who saw a cool project being posted noticed a bunch of controversy, wanted to see what was reasonable so I waded in and was met with a bunch of people getting high on their outrage.
Still not decided but certainly not as clear as one side is acting like it is and they seem to just want to stay mad.
I use Mutter
