• xthexder@l.sw0.com
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      6 months ago

      I guess you haven’t heard they’re experimenting with injecting ads right into the videos on the server. Just turning off scripts won’t do anything for that.

      • SpongeBorgCubePants@lemmy.world
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        6 months ago

        Depending on your country, these ads still need to be marked clearly as such. And for accessibility reasons, that mark will always be machine readable.

        So blockers will be fine.

      • TwanHE@lemmy.world
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        6 months ago

        Sponsor block gives me a nice list of options to do in that case: skip automatically, show a skip button or ignore. All based on what type of interruption there is.

    • reddithalation@sopuli.xyz
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      6 months ago

      nah, if they embed the ad into the video stream (they were testing this for some users!), the only adblocking option will be to blank out the screen and wait through the ad (or download the video in advance and edit the ad out automatically), both of which would make it a lot more annoying to adblock than currently.

        • reddithalation@sopuli.xyz
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          6 months ago

          you can skip through sponsor segments, but these are ads from youtube, not from the creator, and youtube will not let you conveniently skip through the ads. if implemented correctly, youtube could ensure that the ad is fully played, which would need downloading and automatic editing to counter.

          • Tlaloc_Temporal@lemmy.ca
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            6 months ago

            How would they determine if the ad is played without trusting the client? I guess they could screw with the buffer, but that would really piss of people with poor internet, and most people would prefer an ad-length black screen to whatever attention wrenching dark pattern manipulative brown noise wants to infect your mind today.

            • zarathustrad@lemmy.world
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              6 months ago

              Don’t worry, I have been using the powerful technology of “the mute button” and “doing other stuff” since before cable TV existed. We always have alternatives.

            • reddithalation@sopuli.xyz
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              6 months ago

              That is an interesting question. From what I know, youtube has every video in chunks that they serve to the client, and so server side ad injection is just serving some ad chunks before the video. I think you’re right with the buffer thing, it seems to me like the only way to make sure the client can’t skip it would be to make the buffer shorter, impacting some people (although seems like only really people with internet thats fast enough for streaming some seconds, but not other seconds, which is an odd catagory)

              Ultimately it would be a tradeoff for youtube, but the fact that they put the effort into doing mass testing of the idea at all shows that clearly there are some good incentives, and it may eventually be implemented.

      • skulblaka@sh.itjust.works
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        6 months ago

        This is actually one of very few valid cases for an LLM, to help sponsorblock determine ad segments by analyzing the word choice and speech patterns in segments of the video.

      • Mubelotix@jlai.lu
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        6 months ago

        No, you just need to skip the ad. Sponsorblock has been working for years now, solving pretty much the same problem

        • reddithalation@sopuli.xyz
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          6 months ago

          nope, the ad time varies unlike a sponsor segment, and also youtube would not let you skip through an ad while streaming it, whereas sponsors you can, hence the download and edit out with LLM or whatever algorithm works best

            • reddithalation@sopuli.xyz
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              6 months ago

              yes, but if youtube only serves you the real video chunks after your client plays through the ad chunks (all in the same media stream to the client), theres gonna be some waiting involved, not like adblocking today where it is instant.

        • Zwiebel@feddit.orgEnglish
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          6 months ago

          Sponsor Block relies on the ads being at the same timestamp for all users

    • cRazi_man@lemm.ee
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      6 months ago

      They have infinite resources. They’re making gestures to dissuade casuals. I suspect this will get them most of the result they want. They’re also wasting time, effort and resources of adblock programmers (and that is a far more limited resource).

        • Lyricism6055@lemmy.world
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          6 months ago

          They aren’t worried about them. They are squeezing what they can out of the platform.

          Iirc YouTube has a positive revenue now

      • Mubelotix@jlai.lu
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        6 months ago

        Sure but as long as there is a least one dedicated bearded dude hidden in a dark underground room behind his screen, they will be defeated. No matter how much they spent on the new technology. What I mean is that devs might burn out, they will still be replaced by others. And we get such people faster than youtube is able to burn them out

  • xJREB@lemmy.world
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    6 months ago

    Is Google Chrome fighting uBlock country-specific? I use Chrome on Win 10 with uBlock and haven’t seen a YouTube ad outside of the mobile app in ages. For me, uBlock never stopped working in Chrome and I watch YouTube videos every 1-2 days.

  • AllOutOfBubbleGum@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    6 months ago

    I’m one of the dozen people that bought premium to not have to deal with it. I’m just patiently waiting for alternatives to become more viable so I can jump ship entirely. YouTube is the last remaining Google service I still use.

      • AllOutOfBubbleGum@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        6 months ago

        From what I’ve read, YouTubers don’t get paid from views that use an ad-blocker, but they still do from views that have premium, so my justification is that I’m helping support the creators I like. I’m also paying for Nebula, which some of the documentary-style creators upload to as well now.

  • Roopappy@lemmy.mlEnglish
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    6 months ago

    This just in: Google suddently discontinues support for popular and profitable ad blocker blocker blocker blocker, because literally all they know how to do is kill things that work.

    • SkyezOpen@lemmy.world
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      6 months ago

      Dunno if I’m not updated but occasionally ads will actually load or at least try to load and completely restart my video. Usually only happens when I wake the computer up and it has a YouTube video midway through.

  • webghost0101@sopuli.xyz
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    6 months ago

    What this? I cant hear you over my high definition yt-dlp content.

    Where i am going I haven’t needed a google account in over a year.

    • g1ya777@lemmy.world
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      6 months ago

      Personally, I use Tubular on my phone ( Newpipe fork with sponsorBlock ), freetube on PC, and Smart tube on my android tv.

      • webghost0101@sopuli.xyz
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        6 months ago

        Are you familiar with Jellyfin?

        https://jellyfin.org/

        If you can set up a server of this then its as easy as making the library folder the output folder for yt-dlp

        https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp

        I didnt even have to write me own script. I gave chatgpt a notepad with channel urls and just told it to write me code to load these urls one by one and download the Last 2 videos. (Trust me you dont want to accidentally download a whole channel). Yt dlp can maintain a log of sort so videos aren’t downloaded more then once.

        I run this script on a schedule and delete the video when i am done with it. Nice and clean. I can also recommend trying to run an invididious instance for general video browsing but mine took some twiddling to setup right.

        https://invidious.io/

  • DNOS@lemmy.ml
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    6 months ago

    YouTube can definitely afford a war ship and pay people to shoot…we may have enough people to operate a death star for free but can we afford one ?

    • madcaesar@lemmy.world
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      6 months ago

      The image doesn’t quite work because youtube needs a MASSIVE solution that works, scales, doesn’t fuck up their infrastructure and on and on and on.

      Meanwhile on the user front, all your doing essentially is just skipping parts of a video, that will always be infinitely cheaper easier to do. Challenging for sure, but the solution can be small.

      Even something as stupid as delaying your video start by 1 min, pre buffering then skipping ads. It’s brute force and barbaric but the point is that Google can’t do shit against that.

      My ultimate vision is AI that preloads videos you want and detects ads / sponsor segments and just skips them / cuts them out on your device.

      • Bytemeister@lemmy.worldΕλληνικά
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        6 months ago

        Another way to think about it… YouTube has huge amounts of compute resources, but per user it’s an extremely small amount. Your phone has orders of magnitude more power to dedicate to you than YouTube does. Collectively, we have more processing power than YouTube.

    • JordanZ@lemmy.world
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      6 months ago

      I’m glad I’m not the only one that remembers scenes from this terrible movie. This was the first thing that came to mind.

  • Melody Fwygon@lemmy.oneEnglish
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    6 months ago

    So we have:

    • Ad Blockers
    • ‘Ad Blocker’ blockers
    • ‘‘Ad blocker’ blocker’ blockers
    • ‘’‘Ad Blocker’ blocker’ blocker’ blockers
    • ‘’‘‘Ad Blocker’ blocker’ blocker’ blocker’ blockers
    • ‘’‘’‘Ad Blocker’ blocker’ blocker’ blocker’ blockers’ blockers; and finally;
    • ‘’‘’‘‘Ad Blocker’ blocker’ blocker’ blocker’ blockers’ blocker’ blockers; with;
    • ‘’‘’‘’‘Ad Blocker’ blocker’ blocker’ blocker’ blockers’ blocker’ blocker’ blockers

    in development.