What do you think about this graphic?
It should give an easy overview of the architecture of the Fediverse and what it differentiates from old social media.
bad chart
Why?
Don’t pay too much attention https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/modlog?userId=1220346
Lemmy and mastodon are not really connected, I don’t know about the others. I would focus on one protocol (is that the right term here?) and show different instances. I’m not on lemmy to follow mastodon users, it’s a very different concept
But from Mastodon, you can follow and post in Lemmy groups.
You can subscribe to and comment in Lemmy communities from Mastodon.
But you can’t view Mastodon posts from Lemmy.
True. That’s currently not possible
Okay maybe I don’t get it but how can I access mastodon from my lemmy account?
Simply put your Mastodon profile URL into the search.
Eg. https://europe.pub/u/[email protected]
But it works better the other way around
Mastodon and Lemmy have only limited interoperability. You can’t follow individual users on Lemmy, so most of it is one-way. Mastodon users can post to Lemmy communities by @-ing a specific community, and Lemmy users can then reply as normal and their replies will show up in the Mastodon users feed.
That’s why I’m always a bit reluctant to have an infographic with Mastodon and Lemmy fully connected. Sure, it’s possible to interact, but it’s not ideal.
Having another one with Lemmy, Mbin and Piefed servers could be better
Subscribing to user posts on Lemmy would be a fantastic feature
Mbin has microblogging
Yeah i do agree but sadjy, there is a reason some of us call it lemmyverse. We can see mastodon’s content.
Since Lemmy doesn’t really support hashtag, the core of mastodon discoverability, I think switching to a new software is better.
PieFed plan to support Mastodon this year. They already do it somewhat : you can follow PieFed user and a.gup.pe work well. You can also follow comment or post by setting up an alert.
Currently, only mbin can do that.
hashtags don’t work well on the Fediverse, a hashtag doesn’t have an owning instance which means there’s no way to push/pull the content by hashtag
On masto that helped me finding new people or thematic discussion. It may not work very well but it does work with boost. From what i was able to achieve with it, it’s an amazing tool 😊
yea I mean it’s fun to use and works well if you’re on a large instance like mastodon.social, I use it even on a medium size instance
but communities/groups work better on the fediverse, and maybe something in between the 2 could be created, some kind of federated version of hashtags
I’m not on mastodon social, i use it on
- peculiar.florist an iceshrimp instance and their dev team want to support PieFed, Lemmy and Mbin
- mastodon.tedomum.net and mastodon.zaclys.com they both belong to a collective of hosters.
And hashtag work well. I have a list where i follow hashtag as if i had a community around this keyword.
If mastodon supported group, they would include lemmy, mbin, piefed support. We can remplace a.gup.pe
For the top services, I’d make each of the blue background circles a different color to better denote that they’re proprietary and incompatible.
For the Fediverse section, you could add Tumblr, and other services who also federate via activity pub to show our interoperability and expansive reach.
Tumblr
Is it already working?
Maybe you can show that we don’t alway federate with every instance with several cloud network.
That’s also part of our freedom :)
Good idea. But I think it’s better to explain that later, when people are already curious :)
I just got here but I’ve noticed this platform is much nicer compared to things like reddit. No bots, no ai softcore porn ads. I’ll take the fediverse any day.
Nice to hear. :)
What convinced you to join?
Some people in a left leaning subreddit told me it would be a good backup. Then just yesterday I got perma banned and the admins wouldn’t tell me why. So now I’m here
Welcome :)
Thanks ! They really were right when they said people here are much more pleasant than on reddit lol
Needs more chains and walls between groups in the top picture. And maybe some ransom notes.
This doesn’t explain things well. Lemmy is like a bunch of Reddits communicating with each other. The graphic makes it seem like there is just one Lemmy. Also, are Lemmy posts on Mastodon? Mastodon was largely empty last I checked.
Mastodon users can subscribe to Lemmy communities I think, but it doesn’t really work very well. The Mastodon feed isn’t really made to support threaded content so all the Lemmy comments will fill and mess up your feed.
Also, I really like your username. I learned about that fish from Animal Crossing lol.
I think the ATProtocol is better when it comes to connecting between different social media types. But I think ActivityPub makes better use of different servers.
Though I think something like Lemmy is difficult for both because of how different it is from most other social media types.
GLOBALISTS ARE TAKING OVER
In thie fesiverse graphic each person has exactly 1 connection to a fediverse thing. But in reality, there can be more. I guess in practice there are often more than one.
Love it! I’ve saved a copy, because I think it’ll make future explanations a lot easier. Thanks!
There’s no central authority here. But if it doesn’t matter which instance you are on, then all the users on Lemmy are still just part of Lemmy.
On the graph I see other icons than Lemmy.
Are we able to see content from other social media? Or what is meant with that
Certain other content crosses boarders. Matson especially. Whenever you see people replying to messages and it starts with some sort of
!user@lemmy.versetagging, you’re probably eavesdropping on a Mastadon thread and you don’t even know it.
Maybe remove the fediverse in the middle, if I knew nothing about the fediverse it will seem like it is centralized?
John Fediverse is in the middle, holding all the fediverse conmections together.
Is his first name John or Join?
It needs a lot more people and lines connecting to the centralize services, like 6+. You have 14 dudes in the fediverse, you should have a similar number of dudes in the traditional centralized social media things. You need to make it clear that every connection between two people goes through that central server. With only 3 or 4 it looks like it’s some kind of small community there, like you’re just saying “communities exist on Facebook” rather than “on Facebook everybody connects to one central Facebook service”. It would also be good to draw a black line around the edge of the bubble to indicate it’s a walled garden rather than an open system.
For the Fediverse example, it would be good to have a slightly darker shaded bubble with people around their local fediverse instance. That would indicate that there are local communities, but that they can still communicate with all the other communities. And, maybe show that people can be part of different communities, show one person connected both to a mastodon instance and a Lemmy instance.
I’d say these fall into the same trap that most fediverse explainers fall into — too focused on implementation details, not the experience. The average FB user thinks they’re connecting to friends directly, not really considering the system architecture that powers it.
I’d like a graphic that shows how centralised media blocks connections to others outside thier walled garden.
The implementation details matter tho, your instance admin actively makes federation decisions that affect the content. I like to explain joining an instance as pledging yourself to a warlord in medieval Japan
Interesting. How would you put this into a picture?
My friend (the average social media user) also didn’t seem too interested in it. I can imagine something interesting for the average user in a video but not in an image.
I would add random instance names to the service icons, to show them that the websites are interconnected and not just the services
Largely similar to what you have, but abstracting away the metalware and reframing as human-centric.
If the user is at the center, surrounded by more users, making primary & secondary connections, in an approximate circle shape. You can then show traditional social media owners as wedges of that circle, containing (owning) a fraction of the users & preventing connection to others, vs. Fedi that lets you connect to everyone.
But surely the average Zuckerbook user is not so dumb as to miss what this graphic is describing - a crazy utopia where they could talk to people on TikTok and Xitter as well as Zuckerbook?
