Wayland and audio is fixed, but only on the canary branch for the moment, this isnt lazy either, they changed the whole screenshare flow to suit linux’s permission prompts
Oh awesome, I’ve been using the webcord version as the others were all shit for screen sharing. Having said that even webcord also has weird sound issue sim hoping are fixed with this.
The bigger Discord becomes, the more irrelevant it is to me.
I’ve been screen sharing from discord on hyprland for months, it wasn’t already working?
Last I checked I could only share specific windows, not the whole screen. Later there was also an update with a window or screen selection dialogue that didn’t work at all, I think. After that I stopped using it on wayland.
I regularly share my whole screen
I have an issue with the dialog box popping up multiple times but that’s it, still works
The only caveat is window specific sharing often doesn’t work because of how Wayland works
Vencord has had it forever. Just a community discord flathub.
Third party discord clients keep letting me down, not updating their electron version and breaking my system updates cause it’s marked insecure
Browser version with extensions is the way to go
Would you clue me in on what kind of extensions you use and why they’re better that the discord app?
Yeah, I’ve been using Vesktop/Vencord all this time. Has more features than Discord with Nitro. No reason to really switch back to the official client.
When do they stop selling user data? Next patch?
Just use spacebar instead
Nice! Thank you
Spacebar doesn’t even do voice calls does it? Let alone screen share
Yea Its not perfect, but hopefully on the way
they say they dont sell any user data, although i have my doubts about that
It doesn’t really matter if they do or don’t. What matters is that they can change their TOS at any time, they keep an archive of all historical data, and you will have pretty much no recourse no matter what they decide to do with it in the future.
Who knows what will happen to Discord in five or ten years?
They might get bought by a narcissistic billionaire.
They might sell all their data to Google for training AI.
They might go bankrupt and sell off their assets to the highest bidder.
They might have an IPO and begin the usual value extraction at the expense of their users.
I know, I know…crazy ideas, right? When has anything like that ever happened?!
all of this is true with literally any company.
i think you’re totally right, i just dont like people saying theyre doing it right now.
Frankly i think we should use matrix instead, but it just isnt good enough yet
A bear doesn’t tell you it shits in the woods.
it would if itd get sued by forest conservation groups if it didnt admit it
Finally! =D
Finally, Tho i dont use the desktop app anymore. (Hint electron)
Took them long enough
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But still doesn’t accept my legitimate phone number, which is mandatory now.
Only in servers that enabled that verification. Its a server setting
It isn’t just a server thing. Discord can request a phone number from you if they think something unusual is happening. Trying to create an account while using tor will make them ask for a phone number, and they reject those numbers offered by shared number services.
Fair enough, but then you are kinda asking for it if youre doing fishy shit. They need, and i do mean need, to somehow verify the actions being done are from a normal user and not a botnet or other fishy activity…
Sent by me:
Dear Discord Privacy Team!
I’m writing to you to inform you that your platform (mobile, desktop, browser) can enforce the user to verify their account with a phone number, after the user has changed their E-Mail adress. This is a serios privacy problem! I’d like you to verify that you don’t intend on providing other (more privacy friendly) means of account verification apart from providing the phone number. I suddenly cannot use my Discord account due to this and I object to providing a phone number.
Kind regards, ~sntx
Their answer:
Discord Privacy Team (Discord Support)
Hi there,
Thanks for reaching out to us. Unfortunately, we aren’t able to assist you here. This channel is reserved for privacy questions and requests.
It looks like this is a question for our Customer Support team. We recommend that you resubmit your request and choose the appropriate reporting option. You can do so here: […].
In the meantime you can check out our Help Center for more info on everything Discord.
We appreciate your understanding.
Sincerely, Discord Privacy Team
But its a server setting to need phone verification. Im on a ton of servers and never provided them my phone number. One server changed access rights for my username because i refused to give discord my phone number haha.
Also, their response is terrible haha
Fuck Discord! 🙂
Sadly there’s no alternative.
Zulip has been around for a loooong time. It integrates well with Jitsi, and is fully self-hostable.
Revolt looks pretty good despite its lack of a large user base
No screen share and there seems to be a reluctance to add/address requests for it. They add that and I can get my whole community to switch. Until then it’s not happening.
matrix, xmpp
I so wish there was matrix protocol for voice rooms and a good reference implementation but sadly there are neither
How long has it been since you used element/matrix? Serious question because the new element call stack is now finally released in element stable, as of a few patches ago. (It still only shows up as the “video rooms” feature that u have to enable in the labs/beta settings)
Its much cleaner than before and properly supports screensharing, adjusting individual user volumes and more. The previous jitsi based voice rooms were somewhat lacking i admit but they have been functional for years.
That was the last thing that kind of kept me from fully endorsing matrix but now it does all that really important stuff. The new mobile ElementX client also supports the new call system but its overall lacking compared to the normal mobile client which does not support it.
But for desktop use i dont have any complains anymore about matrix really.
no alternative that’s as user-friendly and feature-complete
I wouldn’t say discord is either of those things
They need to limit server sizes, get rid of community searching, and add #XXXX to the end of usernames before we can pretend that
Wouldn’t limiting server sizes and getting rid of community searching be removing features? Why would anyone want that?
And Discord used to have #XXXX at the end of usernames.
Why would anyone want that?
1 they aren’t pedos
2 they want an app to talk to their friends with
3 they don’t want to be victims of misinformation campaigns
And Discord used to have #XXXX at the end of usernames.
Yeah it was better, it meant if you were being stalked you could just have the numbers changed. Now you need a completely different alias with the only purpose to be discouraging victims from getting help
1- What does that have to do with anything?
2- Then make a private server for just your friends.
3- Then make a private server for just your friends.
And no, it wasn’t better. Just… different.
Why?
Centralized social media. Poison of the masses. If they control the pullpit, they control the congregation. Tale as old as time.
It’s reach not centralization
You’d think Lemmy would’ve taught you that by now
These articles are very old and not super relevant any more. Sources of 2018 and 2019, while a lot has changed over the years.
I’m not here to “defend” Discord and pretend it’s all gravy, but if you want to make a compelling argument, I think it’s a good idea to stick to current, factual information.
These articles are very old and not super relevant any more. Sources of 2018 and 2019, while a lot has changed over the years.
Did you even read them? They changed for worst all the points remain.
Which got worse? Feel free to show me an example. I’ll try to investigate and find out its merits.
It must be said that that site also considers browsers like Firefox and Vivaldi to be at a high level of being spyware. I think it’s important to understand that Discord doesn’t do things much differently than other platforms, other than not having any 3rd party ads.
You sound exactly like a bad actor. If you open and read the website you would know why Firefox it’s listed
https://cadence.moe/blog/2020-06-06-why-you-shouldnt-trust-discord
You see a couple of orange lines. You think, well that’s okay, it’s up most of the time? This isn’t helpful. Discord needs to be up all of the time if it wants me to take it seriously. I understand that writing code is hard, and I’m aware that I sound demanding here, but I just cannot adopt Discord for communicating if I cannot rely on it to be available when I need it now. If it’s down for half an hour, that’s not a long time in the big picture, but it’s a long time in the moment when I have a message that I need to send right then.
(emphasis mine). Ah yes, another blog by a user that thinks everything revolves around their experience.
I would love to act in good faith, but you’re not making it easy linking this drivel. Because I don’t want to make you feel like I’m fishing for sources, let me expand some points in the original link to talk about:
Discord contains features which allow integration with other spyware platforms
Discord contains the opt-in spyware feature known as “social media integration.” This allows you to sync your persistent user identity on Discord with your persistent user identity on other spyware platforms, such as Facebook and Twitter. In its privacy policy[1], Discord has confirmed that if you opt in to this spyware feature, Discord will obtain an undisclosed amount of access to information obtained about you by the spyware platforms that you choose to sync with.
Ah yes, very scary. Connecting your account with other platforms to show your profile.
Discord uses its process logging for advertising
That the process logging features of Discord are now being recorded on Discord’s servers as a form of telemetry (spyware), and removes speculation about why this feature exists. It is clarified by Discord that this spyware feature is used for advertising to its users.[8] This means that Discord is recording the programs you have open to build a statistical model of what programs you might buy/license in the future.
The “advertising” in question:
We use certain information to personalize our services. This includes features like customizing your experience on our discovery surfaces, highlighting activity on Discord that may interest you, and surfacing Discord features and promotions from us and our partners that may be of interest to you. For example, we may use information about who you interact with to rank a Friend who you interact with often higher in the “Active Now” section of your Friends List.
Discord tries to force some users to give their Telephone numbers
Discord will lock users out of its service and will not allow them to continue using it without giving their phone number or contacting Discord support. This is especially true for TOR users. This kind of feature is designed to extract very personal information out of its users (phone numbers). The criteria for locking out users isn’t known
Usually this is a server (community) - side setting, but Discord also forces it when they think you are a spammer or malicious actor. Pretending it’s to collect phone number is a bit out there. Also, 2FA has been a thing since forever.
Lastly, there’s probably the argument of selling our personal data:
We don’t sell your personal information. Our business is based on subscriptions and paid products, not from selling your personal information to third parties.
We make money from paid subscriptions and the sale of digital (and sometimes physical) goods, not from selling your personal information to third parties.
We do not sell the personal data of our users or share personal data for targeted advertising purposes.
No sale or “share” of personal information: The CCPA sets forth certain obligations for businesses that sell or “share” personal information. We do not sell or share the personal information of our users as defined in the CCPA.
This is a legal document that they will get in trouble for if they were lying. They’ve already been fined hundreds of thousands of euros for GDPR violations but that curiously did not include a fine for “took people’s personal information and then sold them without consent whilst explicitly saying they didn’t do that”
Discord further has no third party advertisements which they can use to “sell” your data by allowing those advertisements to target you.
The founder’s shady history with OpenFeint, their entire privacy policy and shit like this, take your pick. Wikipedia also has an entire section dedicated to Discord’s controversies. No matter how you look at it, Discord has a great many shortcomings.
i agree with your points but wanted to mention that binding arbitration is bullshittery that most large companies do by default these days. sign a cell phone contract, streaming/cable service, utility bill, whatever. there’s probably an arbitration clause right in the fine print.
This is past due, I use Vencord.
Great! Now I just need global shortcuts.
Just installed Canary on my system to test this, and while it’s a little janky and the hardware acceleration seems to stop other apps using the GPU at the same time this is still good enough I think I can finally move to Linux as my main OS. I assume this will get polished further in the future. Great stuff though.
There is another, semi official linux client called vesktop. Comes with a range of plugin options, all improving or enabling functions the default client doesnt offer or hides behind a paywall. It also has had screen share on Linux for the longest time,if you do the switch give it a go. Certainly better than the default app
they also offer vencord, that patched the official client to offer those features
Except push to talk doesn’t work in Vesktop sadly.
Or any global shortcuts (i.e. to mute oneself) for that matter. Pretty useless in a gaming context because of that imho
And sound overall is shit.
Isn’t sound shit on Discord anyway? Low bitrate
Getting good enough noise cancelling and mic detection working is only almost decent on the official app.
I’ve never had a problem with low bitrate or anything related to that.
I was more just shitting on Discord to shit on Discord because you can have insane bitrates on clients such as TeamSpeak, which I would prefer everyone use.
Vesktop supports the same mic detection and krisp noise suppression as the desktop client
THIS prevented you from switching?
Afaik screenshare always worked when using Discord in a browser
Pretty much! Never saw anything that said the browser client worked on Linux, but last time I tried the discord browser client it was pretty rubbish as well.
As someone who only occasionally uses Discord, I honestly didn’t even know they had a desktop version of their app. I’ve always used it in the browser. Why do they even have a desktop version of their webapp?
Integration at a level a browser can’t offer. Most importantly, imo, a browser can’t bind global keyboard shortcuts for websites. So push to talk, mute keybinds, … don’t work in the browser version.
The desktop version uses Electron, a shitty Chromium + Node.js framework for devs that really only want javascript and web tech
Woooo yeah baby I love Discord
how dare you express a liking for a proprietary platform on lemmy, smh
/s
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